Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Creator? or Random Infinity?

This is a response to the earlier post, which, I believe, is a response to my first post.


  • if there is always an answer, there will equally be a question that follows and it can go on forever.


    Yes. That is what infinity is all about. Its about going on forever. We have a solution to understanding infinity. We approximate a pattern based on our limited knowledge. The problem occurs when we take that approximate solution as an absolute solution and make inferences based on it. Infinity is well proven. The concept of infinite space, infinite numbers, infinite numbers between any two numbers, etc. So what is the problem with accepting infinity? Just because it may probably disprove the existence of a beginning to the universe?

  • 2 categories of things – created and non-created things


    What we call created is very relative. What we mean by created is actually just conversion from one state to another. Creation of a Human being -- gradual transformation of organic matter into a life form. So in actually nothing is created. Ofcourse, matter can be created, but lets tackle it at a later stage.

  • Time is just another dimension we add, just like length, width etc. Then time is a created thing too


    Yes, time is conceptual and relative, just like space metrics (distance, temperature, weight, etc). It helps us to measure things in our life that we hold dear. Time helps us measure our lives -- our lives are the most precious thing that we have. But then that doesnt mean that time is a "created" "thing". For one, time as an idea may be created, but its existence is not, if we put the metric in place then it has no absolute origin. That is why we say that time has no beginning. The very simple argument to it is that if time started at t=0 then what was before that? So its all relative. It is also not a "thing". It is an idea, a metric. It helps us measure our life's progress. As we progressed as intellectual beings we put this and many such basic metrics together to make complex metrics like speed, acceleration, etc.

  • Matter is another factor which is not eternal and hence must be created


    Yes, matter can be created, but then the fact that matter can be created gives new meaning to the concept of "nothing" as well. When matter is created from "nothing", it also results in creation of anti-matter. So "nothing" has also got some significant properties. Also, for matter and anti-matter to separate, there has to be some source of energy. Some debate that this energy is God. But then again, Who created that energy? A possible explanation (my personal viewpoint actually, not a soundly proven explanation) is that it could be another viscious cycle in which matter-anti-matter get created and come together to anhillate each other repeatedly every large interval in time. The energy source is the anhillation and the resultant anhillation could be the source for the fission of more matter/anti-matter. Though slightly far-fetched, it atleast doesn't bank on the remote possibility of a "super human being" who just sat there all this while and then finally got bored of sitting alone and decided to make the universe to play with.

  • Nothing cannot form anything.


    As mentioned somewhere above, "nothing" can form matter and anti-matter.

  • We know the universe is a created thing


    Actually, we don't. We just speculate a path of evolution. Some believe in creationism (Adam-Eve story) while others believe in Darwin. Some believe that God placed everything and it has all remained as is while others believe in a Big Bang theory where everything started with an explosion, assuming that nothing existed before that -- an oversimplification of a very intricate and non-trivial problem.

  • something that is non-created must exist beyond time itself


    Nothing exists beyond time. Time is relative. So anything "beyond" time is also within the bounds of time, and hence not "beyond" time. It sounds crazy, but its just that time has NO bounds. It only has a reference frame.

  • We would then expect that non-created thing to never change because, being outside time, it is the same at its beginning, its middle, and its end


    Change is inevitable. Everything changes. Nothing remains stable. Everything is subject to a stimulus. If not then it is not present in the frame of reference at all and hence cannot affect anything in it either.

  • consistent with the way we see the universe ordered


    What is more interesting to see is not wether or not God exists, but when it is that humans started worshipping the Gods. We don't see any other animals worshipping God. Other animals routinely kill for food as well as pleasure. They don't worship. They have sex whenever they want, with whoever they want. They are completely selfish in existence. So how did the concept of God develop? What did it begin as?

  • A confusing blog I guess


    Not at all. Infact it is very clear in all its aspects. It highlights the beliefs and reasons for their existence and at the same time, makes a very fair balance by providing some non-conventional arguments against them too.



And finally, I ask the question again -- If God made the Universe then who made God? And if it is easy to believe that God existed forver then why is it difficult to believe that the Universe existed forever?

1 comment:

diya said...

tired 2day but will definitely post later probly by sunday :D